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ohio went for obama. even so, there were more votes for republicans in ohio congress there -- in congress there. narrowly speaking, republicans had the edge in congressional votes from ohio voters, narrowly speaking. but look what they're sending to congress. look at that. not narrowly speaking. three times as many. ohio is going to send 12 republicans to congress and just four democrats. and that is why all these blue states which went blue in 2008 and again in 2012 ended up with dyed red legislatures, with state houses that are under total republican control and will stay red no matter how blue the state gets for the foreseeable future. mother jones made this great-looking graph for us the other day. you can see that they weighted it. you can see for every vote it takes to elect a republican to congress in each of these states, you need this many votes to elect a democrat. because they've confined all the democrats to democrat-only districts. so it doesn't matter how much you run up the score there. it'
ohio went for obama. even so, there were more votes for republicans in ohio congress there -- in congress there. narrowly speaking, republicans had the edge in congressional votes from ohio voters, narrowly speaking. but look what they're sending to congress. look at that. not narrowly speaking. three times as many. ohio is going to send 12 republicans to congress and just four democrats. and that is why all these blue states which went blue in 2008 and again in 2012 ended up with dyed red...
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on the economy went ahead with obama care and he paid for that. i think you're going to see the same sort of backlash here where voters have been saying very clearly they want action on the economy. now it becomes sort of an anti--union effort that has very little to do in the short term with the economy. so maybe, you know, they may be able to get their right to work thing through there but there will be the inevitable backlash. >> it is interesting that the congressional delegation, that there are a lot of members who are there now talking to the governor, jackie. what do you think? what's going on in that room right now? >> i think it also varies state to state i'd like to add. something that worked in wisconsin won't necessarily work in ohio. we saw that during some of the scott walker drama that went down. ohio, unions won. wisconsin, unions lost. michigan, another union heavy state, we could see something else entirely. that said the president going there and most likely the president is going to voice his opposition to this, i think that al
on the economy went ahead with obama care and he paid for that. i think you're going to see the same sort of backlash here where voters have been saying very clearly they want action on the economy. now it becomes sort of an anti--union effort that has very little to do in the short term with the economy. so maybe, you know, they may be able to get their right to work thing through there but there will be the inevitable backlash. >> it is interesting that the congressional delegation,...
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here's candidate obama back in 2007. >> understand this. if american workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when i'm in the white house i'll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself. i'll walk on that picket line with you as president of the united states. >> why did the president pick now to so voluntary valley insert himself in this issue? let's put it splu the spthrough cycle. i think it's about politics. like wisconsin, which he completely ignored. again, for political reasons. so, the way i sigh it is right now he's focusing on the fiscal cliff. he will have to give in on entitlement issues and up to him to focus on how to make the left happy and do something with labor. a natural constituency. it will come after him if he doesn't do something about it. i think right now good politics on the issue. >> yeah, no. i tend to agree with that. he just has to show up. he wasn't as in the speech today as sort as explicit as i was led to believe this morning and the white house made it clear where he stands o
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president obama just responded to this. we're live in michigan tonight. >>> and it's a political battle for the ages. we'll tell you why first lady michelle obama and former president bill clinton are going head to head. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> i just spotted mitt romney at costco again. go ahead and return that oval rug you ordered. [ male announcer ] now's the perfect time to buy an adjustable version of the most highly recommended bed in america. the tempur-pedic ergo system. treat yourself to the ultimate sleep experience and save up to $400 during the tempur ergo savings event. plus visit tempurpedic.com for full details on our 0% apr financing with up to five years to pay. don't wait. five-year special financing ends december 10th. visit tempurpedic.com now. tempur-pedic. the most highly recommended bed in america. >>> have you joined it the "politicsnation" conversation on facebook yet? we hope you will. today everyone was speculating about what jim demint's resignation means with the tea party
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>> yeah, president obama's brown suit. i first saw it on the set of melissa harris perry's show back in may. we were all watching and all said, what's he wearing. the president nine times out of ten knocks it out of the park with his choice of navy blue or gray, but this sort of, i want to be cool on the weekends, light suit for the summer thing, not working for him. >> all right. let me show you a picture of sarah palin campaigning for the senate. you got the superman t-shirt. love it or hating it there? >> i'm not loving it. what was it laundry day? the superman t-shirt. the capri pants fine. what's up with the stilts. they're very tall. >> we won't be the first to talk about this, jonathan. governor chris christie, and the infamous fleece. "saturday night live" made fun of him and he made fun of it itself on it. >> chris christie's fleece, it says chris christie governor, if we don't know who he is. he wore that every day in the aftermath of sandy and it got to the point you wondered if it was tattooed on or what. >> hi
>> yeah, president obama's brown suit. i first saw it on the set of melissa harris perry's show back in may. we were all watching and all said, what's he wearing. the president nine times out of ten knocks it out of the park with his choice of navy blue or gray, but this sort of, i want to be cool on the weekends, light suit for the summer thing, not working for him. >> all right. let me show you a picture of sarah palin campaigning for the senate. you got the superman t-shirt. love...
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president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe from pages 17 to 45, details on proposed spending cuts by the presi
president obama and speaker boehner are keeping an open dialogue. speaking on the phone yesterday after trading secret proposals to avoid the year-end deadline. with few details revealed, officials say the president lowered his initial asking price on tax cuts to $1.4 trillion. president boehner took his displeasure to the house floor. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he...
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meanwhile, the obama administration is pressuring states to expand medicaid coverage as outlined by obama care. the health care law calls for medicaid to be expanded to anyone who earns up to 133% of the poverty line. under the law, the federal government would cost -- would cover the cost of new enrollment until 2016. then their share would be dropped to 90% by the year 2022. nine states have said no to expansion, despite the huge federal funding. and some states want partial expansion. but today, the administration said no way. states must expand medicaid all the way if they want to receive full obama care funding. let's turn to the former director of the office of consumer information and insurance oversight, with the health and human services department. and also msnbc contributor e.j. dion, "washington post" columnist and author of "our divided political heart." thanks for joining us tonight. jay, these health insurance ex-change, where have they important and what does it mean if states say they're not going to go down this road? >> they're important, because they enable individuals
meanwhile, the obama administration is pressuring states to expand medicaid coverage as outlined by obama care. the health care law calls for medicaid to be expanded to anyone who earns up to 133% of the poverty line. under the law, the federal government would cost -- would cover the cost of new enrollment until 2016. then their share would be dropped to 90% by the year 2022. nine states have said no to expansion, despite the huge federal funding. and some states want partial expansion. but...
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america does not want to vote for obama. hmm, i hope this review goes better than the election predictions. joining me now, washington correspondent for news week and dana millbank, columnist for the washington post. thank you both for being here. >> hi, reverend. >> so the republicans have a blue ribbon panel. do you think they are ready to learn the lessons of this election? >> i think that you can disregard everything these guys said leading up to the election because they talk a good game and they have to have the, you know, bravado and whatnot. now, they really want to be back in power. and they've got to sit down and hammer out what's going to get them there. the problem is, the party can't decide. half of them think it's because mitt romney is too liberal and wasn't enough of a kind of d distinction from obama and half of them think he was just a lousy kacandidate for others reasons and maybe may should have gone with -- i don't know. jeb bush? part of the problem here is that the party itself can't decide what it wan
america does not want to vote for obama. hmm, i hope this review goes better than the election predictions. joining me now, washington correspondent for news week and dana millbank, columnist for the washington post. thank you both for being here. >> hi, reverend. >> so the republicans have a blue ribbon panel. do you think they are ready to learn the lessons of this election? >> i think that you can disregard everything these guys said leading up to the election because they...
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if we take over, we can repeal obama care. my rejoinder to that is if that is what the people vote for at the ballot box, then elections ought to have consequences. now i won't vote for it. i might try to slow it down, amend it, change it. but at least the majority ought to have the right to propose and get their legislation through. i think that's what our system of government is all about. again, as you pointed out, i proposed this when i was in the minority. and i don't think that the minority has anything to fear. you see, our founders set up a very tough system to get a bill passed. look at it. it has to pass the house. it has to pass the senate. and exactly the same form. so if the house and senate disagree, nothing happens. then it has to survive a presidential veto. and then it has to survive court challenges. this was all set up by our founders. the one -- the one thing they did not set up was that you had to have a super majority in which to pass a piece of legislation. now you and i both know that the drafters of th
if we take over, we can repeal obama care. my rejoinder to that is if that is what the people vote for at the ballot box, then elections ought to have consequences. now i won't vote for it. i might try to slow it down, amend it, change it. but at least the majority ought to have the right to propose and get their legislation through. i think that's what our system of government is all about. again, as you pointed out, i proposed this when i was in the minority. and i don't think that the...
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obama won. these are boom town counties. these are the counties obama completely flipped and won. he didn't win all of these around the country but in these battleground states he certainly did. let's take a look at the monied burbs bush narrowly won in '04. mccomb county, racine county, wisconsin. porter county, indiana. we'll look at here, obama won them all and he won them all sort of swinging it by upwards of 5, 7, 8. this one swinging by 11 points. last place to look, the older and the poorer rural sections, an area where romney did well overall but saw his margin slip. union county, iowa. bush won by seven. obama here. dauphin county, pennsylvania. juneau county, wisconsin. another very white area obama flips it by seven points. so why did we see this shift in the political middle and should this be the real source of concern for republicans going forward? right now let's bring in the bhaen hind patchwork nation. he is at the desk. it was about the middle. there was this mythology that somehow mitt romney won the middle because he won independents. >> right. >> it is complet
obama won. these are boom town counties. these are the counties obama completely flipped and won. he didn't win all of these around the country but in these battleground states he certainly did. let's take a look at the monied burbs bush narrowly won in '04. mccomb county, racine county, wisconsin. porter county, indiana. we'll look at here, obama won them all and he won them all sort of swinging it by upwards of 5, 7, 8. this one swinging by 11 points. last place to look, the older and the...
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iowa is a place with an emotional hold for the obamas. that was the place where his campaign first won the iowa caucuses and began it all. >> this next picture is superstorm sandy. the president with mike bloomberg and janet napolitano touring the damage. you can just imagine how grim that tom donlon -- i'm not sure if tom is also in the picture. you can see what they're looking at. >> right. you know, the one that -- he's not in this picture, but what jumps in my mind is the criticism that chris christie got over saying nice things when president obama went up to new jersey to tour the devastation. i just think the seriousness that's conveyed in this picture, i almost never say this. there are things in which politics takes a very far back seat. this is one of them. >> take a look at the next picture. we were talking a few minutes ago about possible cabinet choices. there's dennis mcdone noug on the right and jack lou is if he's the treasury secretary and tom lon lan, the national security adviser. the president is so comfortable with th
iowa is a place with an emotional hold for the obamas. that was the place where his campaign first won the iowa caucuses and began it all. >> this next picture is superstorm sandy. the president with mike bloomberg and janet napolitano touring the damage. you can just imagine how grim that tom donlon -- i'm not sure if tom is also in the picture. you can see what they're looking at. >> right. you know, the one that -- he's not in this picture, but what jumps in my mind is the...
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some republicans are continuing to push back against president obama's red line. tax increases for the most wealthy. >> the game you're playing is small ball. you're talking about raising rates on the top 2% that would run the government for 11 days. you just got re-elected. how about doing something big that's not liberal. how about doing something big that really is about partisan. every big idea he has is a liberal idea that drowns us in debt. how about manning up here, mr. president. >> joining me is congressman chris van holland, a ranking member in the house committee. >> good to be with you. >> we're hearing there from lindsey graham his thoughts on fox news and this morning former governor haley barbour was on "morning joe" today and said he would support the higher taxes for the wealthy if -- >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the facts that raising thos
some republicans are continuing to push back against president obama's red line. tax increases for the most wealthy. >> the game you're playing is small ball. you're talking about raising rates on the top 2% that would run the government for 11 days. you just got re-elected. how about doing something big that's not liberal. how about doing something big that really is about partisan. every big idea he has is a liberal idea that drowns us in debt. how about manning up here, mr. president....
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will having mike huckabee on tv repeal obama care? i'm checking with the constitution, but i don't think so. but mike huckabee would please like to stay on tv, if for no other reason than to keep asking for more of your money to help him stay on tv asking for more money. it is maybe inevitable that somebody is going to try to turn impotent political rage and ignorance into personal financial gain. it has been happening as long as there has been snake oil and hucksters, which is not the root word of mr. huckabee's name. i did check that. this isn't just some con man off the street. i mean mike huckabee, for whatever you think of him w, he came in second the last time the republicans nominated somebody for president. in the 2008 election, mike huckabee essentially came in second to john mccain. which is now the part where i tell you that the guy who came in second this year, the guy who came in second to mitt romney, where does he work now? he works at world net daily, which is admittedly hilarious, because it's a mad libs choose your o
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. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. america is not going to compete based on low skill, low wage, no workers rights. that's not our competitive advantage. there's always going to be some other country that can treat its workers even worse. >> the house speaker, john boehner, is speaking now on the house floor regarding the fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> beyond 1:50 p.m. today. >> the speaker of the house for five minutes. >> the speaker, last week republicans made a serious offer to avert
. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with...
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obama would love to take it off the table now. there's no way republicans are going to give that up. it's a crucial piece of leverage than the tax rates. as we saw a year and a half ago, that is really sort of putting the basic fiscal health of the country at risk. a lot of republicans are looking at that saying this is a much better chance to get the big changes on entitlements we would like to find. >> andy, i ask this to both of you, eleanor, too. i'll start with eleanor. what are the chances that game is not going to get tied into this? the president was very specific when he gave the speech to the business round table this week talking about the fact this is not a game he's looking to play once again. what are the odds that will not be involved? >> the odds are it will not be involved. the president has important allies this time, that's the business community. the republican party has been the party of business, you know, big business, small business. the business community does not want to go through all that wrangling over
obama would love to take it off the table now. there's no way republicans are going to give that up. it's a crucial piece of leverage than the tax rates. as we saw a year and a half ago, that is really sort of putting the basic fiscal health of the country at risk. a lot of republicans are looking at that saying this is a much better chance to get the big changes on entitlements we would like to find. >> andy, i ask this to both of you, eleanor, too. i'll start with eleanor. what are the...
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diversity is always an issue in the obama cabinet. just like any other administration. >> that's right. >> interestingly enough, it's been 15 years since there has been a white man as secretary of state. 15 years since we've had that. i think warren christopher might have been the last white secretary of state. second term of clinton. we've had no woman ever heading up the pentagon, cia, or treasury. on the other hand, we've only had one male as labor secretary in the last 26 years. pop quiz. >> robert reich. >> robert reich. and the chief of staff has always, always, been a white male. going after, as to your point, the black female potential secretary of state after that -- >> -- after the election we just had. it's impossible -- i think you can't divorce any of these things from any of the other things. >> quick panel, yes or no, does susan rice get the nomination? >> yes. i would say. >> yes. >> i have no idea. i have no idea. i'm out of the prediction game. >> one more. >> no. >> i want to thank you on that note to nicolas, joan,
diversity is always an issue in the obama cabinet. just like any other administration. >> that's right. >> interestingly enough, it's been 15 years since there has been a white man as secretary of state. 15 years since we've had that. i think warren christopher might have been the last white secretary of state. second term of clinton. we've had no woman ever heading up the pentagon, cia, or treasury. on the other hand, we've only had one male as labor secretary in the last 26 years....
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how are those behind the scenes talks going between president obama and the speaker? >> i want people to know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. it was cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? >> flash point, syria. has assad backed off his chemical weapons threat? >> we haven't seen anything new for aggressive steps to move forward in that way. >> and hair envy. what will harry reid miss most about retired senator ben nelson? >> he had a lot of real hair. it's often that people call his office -- they believe he has a toupe. it's his hair. he will pull it for every time just to show you that it's real. i mean, he has hair like a 15-year-old, mr. president, and so i have to acknowledge i am a little envious of his hair. ♪ i want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy ♪ >> you wonder why we don't have a budget deal yet. good day. i'm andrea mitchell live
how are those behind the scenes talks going between president obama and the speaker? >> i want people to know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. it was cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? >> flash point, syria. has assad backed off his chemical weapons threat?...
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i think, look, part and parcel why barack obama was elected and then reelected. the promise of, look, you may not agree with everything i've done, but this country needs a big leader and i am that big leader. they want people to get things done. plus the fact, it's not in this poll, but in most polling we've seen, people would overwhelmingly blame republicans if we go over the cliff. the blame is pretty clear where it's going to fall. i think they are going to get a deal. >> that came out of the washington post/abc poll. >> heavily, heavily so. >> certainly, the speaker and his colleagues are looking at that. there was a comment on cbs this morning from dave camp, the ways and means chairman, who's going to have a big say over what happens on taxes. this is his reaction. >> this is the fifth president i've served with, and when -- in the divided government, when presidents want an agreement, they can get an agreement. >> the president has the leverage now. >> he does. >> the clock is ticking. we had an interesting comment from ken conrad yesterday as to when this
i think, look, part and parcel why barack obama was elected and then reelected. the promise of, look, you may not agree with everything i've done, but this country needs a big leader and i am that big leader. they want people to get things done. plus the fact, it's not in this poll, but in most polling we've seen, people would overwhelmingly blame republicans if we go over the cliff. the blame is pretty clear where it's going to fall. i think they are going to get a deal. >> that came out...
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if i said that i misspoke, i meant obama couldn't run on his record, didn't try. that's why their campaign was to disqualify romney. i apologize if i said that wrong. but, look, remember 1984, when reagan ran for re-election, the economy was blowing and going. he never mentioned jimmy carter's name. you would have thought george bush was president obama's opponent in this election. he talked about bush's fault, it's bush's fault and the disqualification of romney was not about his policies as governor of new york, he was a vulture capitalist, doesn't care about people like you jr, he doesn't pay his income tax, has cayman island bank accounts, blah blah blah, he's a quintessential plutocrat married to a known equestrian. [ applause ] >> it wasn't he was for bad policy. >> governor haley barbour, thank you so much as always. >> what are we going to see today, chuck, in the negotiations? >> i think the less we see the better. i mean, that's sort of the way this is going. if we don't see -- you know, we'll see. i think there's going to be a couple more bumps in the n
if i said that i misspoke, i meant obama couldn't run on his record, didn't try. that's why their campaign was to disqualify romney. i apologize if i said that wrong. but, look, remember 1984, when reagan ran for re-election, the economy was blowing and going. he never mentioned jimmy carter's name. you would have thought george bush was president obama's opponent in this election. he talked about bush's fault, it's bush's fault and the disqualification of romney was not about his policies as...
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president obama said the same. we need tax reform. immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking about how collaborative they were. the guys, not so much. >> we don't smile. i agree. the more women the better. i'm agreeing with you. can i say nothing? i said the more women, the better. i'm agreeing with you. the more women, the less self destructive egos and getting to a deal. do you have a problem with that. >> no,i don't. >> go with it. i give up. >> all right. still ahead, hollywood mogul joins us on set and author sebastian younger will be here. more morning joe in a moment. ♪ for over 40 years, we've
president obama said the same. we need tax reform. immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see....